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To water or not to water the Pig?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: To water or not to water the Pig? Reply with quote
 
A few weeks back there was some discussion on whether or not to add water to the sample that was going into the blind pig. There were 2 sides to this discussion.

Add water to your sample that you are submitting in the pig so that the judges will be tasting exactly how you want them to taste your sample.

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Don't add water and let the judges add water themselves as is done in most whisk(e)y tastings.

Is there an official ruling on this?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Considering I'm planning on filling my pig tonight, this would be useful information. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
I don't think there's a "rule" that applies here since the only restrictions to the competition are something along the lines of:

"must use the two bottles of Wasmunds and the supplied barrel, and can add anything else to the barrel you want (as long as it won’t kill anyone)."

Water certainly meets this definition and I assume you can choose what proof to bottle it for tasting. Heck, you could even add GNS if you want to enter a higher proof sample.

Now, there are certainly strategy considerations here and I haven't given this much thought yet. I'm guessing I'll probably keep the strength somewhat north of 50% but may water it down a bit to try to find that spot where it drams fine without water but still has room to knock it down to see what water does to it while keeping the proof higher than 46%.

Remember the golden dramming rule: "Friends don't let friends dram below 46%!"

I have a few weeks minimum before I get to this stage...

Good luck! This is going to be a hoot tasting the various entries on Repeal Day.

slainte! Tim


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Ryan, will the judges be adding their own water during the tasting?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Well, I made my choice...

I brought mine down to a strong, but drammable strength (in the vicinity of 48-50%, in my estimation) in the pig.

My expectation is that the judges will nose and dram without adding water first, then possibly add a drop or three if they feel that it needs it.

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I watered my pig too...just a wee bit


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Can anyone suggest a reliable way to determine the ABV of the spirit? I might be tempted to water, but I don't want to drop the ABV too much. I'm not a big fan of guessing the ABV by taste alone as I've had lower proof whiskies that tasted higher proof than ones that actually were higher proof.

In addition to reliable, I would also add cost-effective in my request to come up with a way to measure the ABV.


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Jim,

Go to eBay and search for

Hydrometer Alcohol Proof

and you should get a range of options. I have one I bought a couple of years ago for about $10 + S&H which goes from 0-100% at 20 deg C and it works great. I check it regularly against commercial bottles and it's always right on.

I also created and distributed a little spreadsheet I dubbed DrE's Dilution-Ratio Calculation Engine back in 1999 that you might find useful:

http://smwhisky.com/dilute.htm

You download or just open the excel spreadsheet and enter the size and proof of your dram in Cells C18 and C19 and it calculates what proof you'll get for various amounts of added water.

The first graph shows how much water to reduce your dram from starting proof down to 46%... because remember - friends don't let friends dram below 46%... even back then.

The second graph runs it down to 10-20 percent depending on your starting values.

It doesn't work for vatting whiskies of different proofs though but I'd think it would be simple to edit the formulas to query for the ABV of the vatting dram as well. I'm willing to provide upprotected copies of the spreadsheet if someone wants to take a crack at this as long as I get a copy of the revised one back.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: To water or not to water the Pig? Reply with quote
 
Jon wrote:

A few weeks back there was some discussion on whether or not to add water to the sample that was going into the blind pig. There were 2 sides to this discussion.

Add water to your sample that you are submitting in the pig so that the judges will be tasting exactly how you want them to taste your sample.

Or

Don't add water and let the judges add water themselves as is done in most whisk(e)y tastings.

Is there an official ruling on this?



OFFICIAL RULING!
Water or not to water, that is the question!
Answer: Up to you! Present your Whisk(e)y how you would like it to be tasted!
I will instruct the judges NOT to add water!


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Ryan,

Aren't the PFJ contestants who show up on Dec 5 also the judges, or did I misunderstand the judging part here?

If so, you're planning on instructing us on how to taste these?

This is getting better all the time! I can't wait to see how this exercise in cat herding works out... Surprised

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The judges will be: Myself, Rick Wasmund and (hopefully) Jeff Karlovitch

If we do a People's Choice, yes it will be like an exercise in cat herding !
MEOW, giddy- up! Shocked


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Thanks for the clarification here Ryan, I'll have to rethink my end game now.

Will this be a closed judging or will the contestants be allowed onsite on December 5 to observe, congratulate the winning entry(ies?) and hopefully taste some of these concoctions that day?

I'm holding the entire day of December 5 open to make sure I can get down there for this event although with my ongoing whisk(e)y diet I may well have been making up the contest details in my over saturated mind lately.

I'd think that further clarification on how the judging day will be set up would be appreciated by the contestants for planning purposes unless I'm the only clueless one who's lost here. I checked the rules and didn't see anything written up after the December 2 submittal deadline.

Still psyched! (even though my "judging fantasy" has just been smashed to bits...)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
DrEntropy wrote:

Jim,

Go to eBay and search for

Hydrometer Alcohol Proof

and you should get a range of options. I have one I bought a couple of years ago for about $10 + S&H which goes from 0-100% at 20 deg C and it works great. I check it regularly against commercial bottles and it's always right on.



Cool. thanks. I found them on ebay. These are to be used with a 450 ml graduated cylinder, right? I assume you pour the whisky back after you measure it as losing 450 ml each time I want to test would kind of suck.


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